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中國的文化弄臣(舊文)

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廖康
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搅混水就无聊了。



   
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我寫短文為了表達自己的看法想法﹐以及判斷分析推測﹐包括推測。網上發言無需證
據﹐信不信由大家。你橫挑鼻子豎挑眼的﹐是存心跟我過不去。我貼文就是準備有
人來跟我吵架的。我寫已寫了﹐你看著怎麼辦吧。老夫可不在乎你這種後輩說什麼。


天生我材竟何用﹖


   
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哇,老先生气量可观,只喜欢别人信你,不喜欢别人疑你,说你不是就急了。要是有人无缘无故,无需证明地用“弄臣”一类的词来说你,还不得拼命?我有时喜欢争论,但从来不跟人吵架,童叟无欺。



   
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我退休了沒事﹐專喜歡跟人吵架。你有吵架的興趣﹐就放馬過來。


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廖康
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不善于吵架,也没有时间,晚生甘拜下风。



   
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这个嘛,最好先读一下翁帆的日记,免得总是自己揣测别人的心思。自己失去爱的能力,并不说明别人也失去。


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最近逸士在伊甸园闹老寿星,把我们所有人都给震住了。:D


因为无能为力,所以尽力而为。


   
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Originally posted by [i]weili[/i] at 2009-9-4 08:55 PM:
笑言,你的帖子在这里。

自己跟帖跟糊涂啦?:wink:

最近逸士在伊甸园闹老寿星,把我们所有人都给震住了。:D


多谢为力,老糊涂了。:)
我已删了询问贴。添麻烦了,抱歉。


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逸士是老顽童,古诗太深奥大家无法接嘴,这些杂文让大家起起哄热闹热闹也挺好。
廖兄是否有点爱屋及乌,张艺谋我不清楚,杨振宁嘛,廖兄应该知道有口碑这个东西,口碑虽然不能在法庭上当作证据,但却可以臧否一个人,网上有不少关于杨振宁为人的文字(不关老少配),想来也不会全是假的吧。



   
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廖君可有本事找出一个美国名人打赢 libel 罪的官司来?我打赌你不能。

根据美国的 Media Law,普通老百姓有,但公众人物(public figure)没有隐私权、
名誉保护权。试举两例:

(1)大明星 Tom Cruise 一直被“谣言”中伤为同性恋,他是没有办法依靠法律为
自己洗清名誉的。他若为此上法庭控告个人或媒体,官司百分之百地输。他自然不会去
破费钱财自取其辱。在美国名人八卦也是满天飞,你们有谁听说过哪个名人打“诽谤”
官司的?

(2)共和党一年来视官方证据于不顾,大肆“造谣”说奥巴马出生于非洲,因而没有
资格当选为美国总统。奥巴马贵为堂堂美国总统,即使利己的铁证如山,也没有办法通
过法律为自己讨回公道。

所以,你指责遗士的“诽谤罪”,在美国完全不成立,因为他的针对个体是公众人物,
而不是草民百姓。

Originally posted by [i]廖康[/i] at 2009-8-27 22:00:
对公众人物评头品足也不能无中生有,在西方也有libel罪。你掌握了什么材料,能够证明小翁是中共赏赐给杨振宁的?如果没有,那不是无中生有的诽谤吗?关于张艺谋,我向很多指责他的人要求具体批评,要求反驳我的评..


因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳


   
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好嘛,还挺光荣。请你自己google "libel case won",有576000条呢!

有关杨振宁,我没说别的,只为所谓“赏赐”鸣不平。



   
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你还是没有搞清这里的不同,我说的是“名人诽谤“,而不是“平民诽谤”。

google "libel case won" 的几十万里面有几个属于“public figure libel case won"?


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In the eyes of the law, public figures are usually politicians or celebrities, who have limited rights to claim that they've been libeled or defamed, thanks to a 1964 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964),[1] was a United States Supreme Court case which established the actual malice standard which has to be met before press reports about public officials or public figures can be considered to be defamation and libel; and hence allowed free reporting of the civil rights campaigns in the southern United States. It is one of the key decisions supporting the freedom of the press. The actual malice standard requires that the plaintiff in a defamation or libel case prove that the publisher of the statement in question knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity. Because of the extremely high burden of proof on the plaintiff, and the difficulty in proving essentially what is inside a person's head, such cases—when they involve public figures—rarely prevail.

[url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan [/url]

Therefore, in order to protect the free flow of ideas in the political arena, the law requires that a public official who alleges libel must prove actual malice in order to recover damages.

The First Amendment protects open and robust debate on public issues even when such debate includes "vehement, caustic, unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials."

[url] http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Libel+and+Slander [/url]


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女演员Cameron Diaz可算名人吧,可算公众人物吧?查一下celebrity libel case won吧,有333000条呢。



   
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廖君,nice try,可惜却是一个伪例。我查了一下,这大嘴美人的诽谤案是伦敦法院
受理的,被告是一家英国媒体。眼下我们在讨论美国的新闻法,所以还请你继续努力。
既然可以狗到几十万条,查到一两个“铁案”应该不是很困难吧。然后我们继续探讨。
既然你是这场伊甸虚拟法庭中的原告律师,根据新闻法,举证和援引 common law
的担子完全在你 😉


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