下一步，你们就可能需要自己的SERVER。VIRTUAL SERVER或者PHYSICAL SERVER都可以。这样也更安全。普通WEB HOSTING就如什么人都可以成为邻居的APARTMENT BUILDING。当然HOSTING COMPANY会采取尽可能的安全措施。

如果有自己的SERVER，不光是YIDIAN，理论上你们可以自己HOST几百个网站，不受限制的安装更多的系统。

Each physical server is divided into several virtual servers.

• Each (dv) customer has full root access to their virtual servers, making them indistinguishable from dedicated servers.
• Neighboring sites that share the same physical hardware have no interaction with each other. If one crashes, its neighbors will be completely unaffected.

PHYSICAL SERVER可以租机子，也可以买自己机子存放到HOSTING COMPNAY只租COLOCATION。

这时需要你自己有WEB SERVER的管理知识和技术了。常用的管理可以用WEB ACCESS CONTROL PANEL，如PLESK。不过对你来说，直接用UNIX COMMAND会更方便，我都不需要PLESK。但是，可能其他园丁需要PLESK。

至于你如果现在在旧PC上SET UP TEST SERVER，用LINUX还是UNIX，应该是没什么区别，你是专家。我以为，因为几乎只是用于SERVER，那么装个UNIX好些，我的旧PC TEST SERVER用的是FREEBSD。

我从你们公司买的是COBALT RAQ 550，不是SUN，装的是LINUX系统。SUN推出COBALT RAQ 550时，大概就已经决定要毙了COBALT这一系列了。刚推出市场，我买回来一看，PHP，MYSQL什么都已经旧了。自己换PHP还和COBALT原系统不匹配。而且任何自己的UPDATE，都造成SUN不负责维护。但是不换不行，所以，，买回来第一天，就自己更新这系统。2个月后，SUN就宣布，毙了COBALT。如今我是租了台UNIX BOX（不是SUN），也就是上边说的租PHYSICAL SERVER的方案，用的是FREEBSD操作系统。

“$75/hour
for upgrading Solaris is very expensive. What other services did you get?”

These people are experts in Unix and web server management. When last time, my Cobalt Raq 550 I bought from your company drop dead on me, they helped us fix it. 🙂 And I will call up on them for the unix web server management issues that I cannot do it cost effectively by myself.

I do the most web server management works by myself in unix shell. But if something I am not familiar with, I pay them to do. 1 hour their time, may take me several hours if not more. Also, before, I tried to do everything myself, first few times it was fine, then a small mistake I made messed things up, and I had to pay more money to ask them fix it. So now I would rather pay 75 dollars for unix expert for the tasks I am not familiar with. Maybe in the future, you can do it for me. for free? 🙂

SUN's tech support for the COBALT RAQ 550 is terrible. 70 Euro for each service call. So when my sun cobalt died, I turned to the other unix expert for help.

In the cobalt support forum a guy complained.

He called sun. "Your ad said Cobalt RAQ 550 has the way to auto transfer my old RAQ to it, is that right?"

Tech support:" Yes that is right. You have to do these steps..."

He said:"I did, it is not working. but I would try again."

He called again, "it is not working."

Tech support:"Yes, we know now, it is not working."

A few days later, that guy received invoice for two service calls charges, 70 euro each.

海雨，

我的设想是建立自己的主机系统，从而掌握伊甸的绝对自主权，并有利于测试、备份
和错容(redundancy)，而不是用这个系统做其它事情，完全不可能HOST其它网站
的。一个伊甸就够我们忙活的了，哪有心思它用。你知道小本经营这种BUSINESS是
没有丝毫利润的。一个月几元管理费，还不够我服务十分钟的市价呢。

对于这个伊甸主机系统，我初步的“宏伟”计划是用一台SUN主机作为进入INTERNET
的门户，上面安装FIREWALL等安全软件。另外用一台LINUX主机模拟HOST的环境，
安置伊甸网站。另外再用一台SUN主机作为BACKUP系统。

再谈！

I agree. I have my own server, but I am not in the hosting business either. I only host the web sites that I desgined, due to there might be some tech support for the web site and some special set up requirements for the server. It is too difficult to support the web site I desgined on other's server (if I cannot have the server root access.) Specially, some hosting servers of the ISP still use the old, and unsafe php set up so they can host the other people's sites which are written years ago.

I was assuming that some people have very simple web site, only a few static html pages etc. Once it is up there, you will never have to worry about the site as long as the server is running. And they will not bother you 24/7 if there is a problem. Just fix it when you have time. As hosting with yidan's server as a donation to yidian. - but that might be difficult to control. The clients may agree in the first, and later on, when their site is down, they might call you up in the middle night. So yes, forget about the hosting idea.

As your plan, so why some on Unix some on Linux. You can use Unix for all the machines. Yidian on Unix or Linux will not make any difference.

And a simple Unix box is good enough, you may not need a SUN machine for this. But if you can get good deal with Sun, then of course why not using SUN?

海雨，现在有两套方案：

一是建立伊甸自己的备份/错容/调试系统，卷入的工作量和金钱消费都比较大。工作量我倒不在乎，主要是钱的问题。我们
财力有限，网友捐款得用在刀刃上。

二是另外再找一家HOST，将伊甸PARK上去，作为错容/调试系统。这样费用较低。剩下的捐款可以用来升级功能和美化界面。伊甸看上去还是有些土里土气，尤其是博客，和新浪的比差远了，不能满足大家的要求。

你认为怎样？

谢谢！

单单BACK UP，在HOST COMPANY已经有的BACK UP基础上，每周DOWNLOAD整个网站，每天DOWNLOAD数据库，足够了。

做错容，调适，第二方案更合适，而且完全够用。找第二家HOST时，可以找找看那些容许你HOST 2－3家以上网站或者SUBDOMAIN的PACKAGE。这样，比方说，TEST新BLOG，或者其他系统时，你就可以用另一个网站。或者用SUBDOMAIN。

无论是现在还是第二家HOST，你们只需要SITE HOSTING PACKAGE，没有必要用“租用SERVER的PACKAGE”。SERVER的部分，你自己可以找台旧PC或者旧UNIX BOX（我用5年旧的PC做自己的开发SERVER），装上UNIX，APACHE，MYSQL，PHP，EMAIL，FTP等软件（都可以是FREE OPEN SOURCE的），和伊甸，以及其他你考虑试验的系统。自己做研究开发用。学习整套WEB SERVER的技术，也可以自己先在自己的机子上做开发，开发好了，放到第二HOST上，供园丁讨论。

关于BLOG，伊甸的BLOG还可以啊。当然，如果和新浪BLOG什么比，那是有点距离。伊甸是个论坛＋BLOG＋文集的系统，单独的功能可能比不了专门的系统。

有一个方案，那就是只保留伊甸的论坛和文集部分，另外安装一个专门的TOP RATED的BLOG系统（还是用拿来主义），比方说用WORDPRESS。可以用SUBDOMAIN，[url] http://blog.yidian.org [/url]来HOST BLOG。

好处是，你可以有媲美新浪BLOG的BLOG系统，不利的是，BLOG和文苑是2套系统。用户建立BLOG必须重新登记帐号和重新登录。

[url] http://wordpress.org/ [/url]

曾经是TOP RATED的BLOG系统，但是最近一年新的好BLOG系统也是层出不穷，我只对WORDPRESS有些了解。你还可以研究一下其他的BLOG系统。

海雨，

谢谢你的意见。你和我的观点接近。伊甸应该将第一笔捐款主要用于功能增强和界
面改进，同时应用第二HOST作为错容和测试。备份先用HOST的。以后如果有更
多资金，再考虑建立自己的SERER。

大家也请谈谈！