偶然的从央视新闻里看到这么一段:
2008北京奥运会开幕式音乐总监陈其钢告诉主持人,8月8日晚开幕式上那首《歌唱祖国》的声音原来并不是来自那位次日登上《纽约时报》的小红星林妙可--那个令亿万观众感动落泪欢呼不已的纯美声音的主人是一位7岁的小女孩杨沛宜。
至于这个“双簧”的原因,陈总监解释说,因为考虑到对外形象所以最后决定用外形更好一些的林小朋友...
新闻节目中,杨沛宜面对记者,演唱了一小段歌曲,一副童真的可爱模样,至少我个人认为她的长相是很可爱和讨人喜欢的,还不至于会因为长相问题被淘汰,况且,我一直认为,世上没有丑的孩子,“每个孩子都是上帝牵着手送到这个世界来的”。
当记者问她有没有觉得遗憾时,她回答说不遗憾,开幕式上有自己的声音已经很满足了...
看完新闻,我说不出话来...
这也算是个大爆料吧,为何在开幕式结束后的那场新闻发布会上,主创人员任何人都对代唱一事只字未提呢?张艺谋导演当时甚至特的向记者们隆重推出了一下林妙可,介绍了一下这个小姑娘的情况。我不免疑惑:当时张艺谋大导演似乎更应该把这位幕后的杨小朋友向广大观众推出一下,效果会比事隔几日后才由音乐总监陈其钢向观众道出真相好得多吧。如果陈总监没有讲出这段隐情,恐怕杨小朋友要远做一个藏在幕后不为人所知的声音了。
现在,已经有数不清的观众认定林小朋友才是真命天女,并且涌现出了越来越多的“可可粉”们,在这种情况下,幕后代唱事件的公布,对两位小朋友恐怕都不是什么好事。
网友对此议论纷纷,有人认为,以杨沛宜处在换牙期而由林妙可顶上的说法不靠谱,因为小孩子换牙是正常现象,还不至于“有损国体”;有人更逗,调侃说如果导演认为长相不好的歌手会有损国体,那么更应该给刘欢、韩红找帅哥美女出台顶替;甚至有些离谱的,直接发问:林妙可也被张艺谋潜规则了吗?
其实,如果把开幕式视为一场文艺演出,那么导演是有权决定如何安排和使用人力物力财力,只要演出的结果得到观众认可,那么演出就可以说是成功的。但是当这件事牵涉到两个分别只有9岁、7岁年纪的小孩子时,观众在得知真相后的愤愤不平可想而知。开幕式上更多打动观众的,是那个天真无邪的声音,为了导演心目中的 “完美”而组合了导演认为最动听的声音和最美的面庞,那么,在全世界都在为这个美丽面庞喝彩叫好的时候,是否也该为那个动听的声音鼓一下掌,认可一下她的辛劳与付出?
再想想林小朋友在台上的演出,一个9岁的孩子能够把一幕并不简单的双簧演绎的几乎完美无缺,我不由的担忧:这孩子通过这次开幕式表演,会不会已经认为出众的长相可以给自己带来更多的机会和荣耀?
作为一个导演,对于完美的追求无可厚非,但悲哀的是,在得到了他自己想要的完美的同时,也毁了两个孩子本该纯净如水的童真。因为他的选择和淘汰相当于已经给这两个孩子和他所面向的所有观众传达了这样的信息和理念:外表的美丽高于一切,因为只有外表是展示于人们眼前的,至于其他所有美好都只是外表的陪衬和修饰而已。
这种美的追求,恕我实在难以认可,尤其是对于孩子们,最美好的童年时光转瞬即逝,请在他们还不需要接触社会的红白灰黑与人情冷暖的年纪,把后一点纯真留给他们。
from CND, 发布者 SEB 在 08-08-11 19:55
是非是我非我
[size=5][center][b]奥运开幕式上完美而崇高的谎言[/b][/center][/size][center]天婴[/center]
惊闻!这位漂亮的小妹妹,才是真正在奥运会开幕式上《歌唱祖国》的歌唱者。不是另一位穿红裙子的小女孩吗?怎麽是杨沛宜呢?原来,听奥运音乐总监陈其钢解释[url] http://6.cn/watch/6842619.html [/url],才知道《歌唱祖国》是林妙可的形象+杨沛宜的声音组合成的“完美”的“表现形式”。根据陈其钢讲,这样作是为了“国家利益”,是“不得已”的选择。
我们从小就被教育,国家利益高于个人利益,本来,为大我牺牲小我是无可指责的。但是,虚假却不是,“虚假”不但不是中华民族的传统美德,更不是奥运精神。 “诚实”是做人,做事最基本的道德标准,在奥运会开幕式上,连运动员都要宣誓不服兴奋剂,不欺骗。但是,弘扬奥运精神的开幕式表演却可以假唱,实在是汗!
陈其钢还说,这样做“无论是对林妙可,还是对杨沛宜来说,都是公平的”,因为,林妙可本来就是A角,杨沛宜本来就是B角。所以,这不属于“假唱”,而是,用什麽样的“形式”表现的问题。所以,是林杨组合是一种最能表达“对一个国家音乐,文化形象”的理解。我只想大胆设想地问一句:假如有一天,朗朗因故无法出场演奏,是不是会拉另外一位人上台“表演”,而放朗朗的演奏呢?
杨沛宜为什麽不能代表中国?就算达不到导演眼中的“完美”,我相信,她完全能代表健康,真实,希望的中国。
小女孩杨沛宜有一天会长大,有一天她会面对和思索这个完美而崇高的谎言。我不知道,这个完美而崇高的谎言可以说服她吗?
(ZT)
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
我却横竖左右自古至今,怎么看怎么是呢,孔融让梨,一两千年前老祖宗就开始教诲孩子虚假(虚伪)了,几千年灌输熏陶、遗传进化下来,哪还有什么真噢。
Originally posted by [i]thesunlover[/i] at 2008-8-12 11:10:
“虚假”不但不是中华民族的传统美德,
孔融让梨
孔融有五个哥哥,一个小弟弟。
有一天,家里吃梨。一盘梨子放在大家面前,哥哥让弟弟先拿。你猜,孔融拿了一个什么样的梨?他不挑好的,不拣大的,只拿了一个最小的。爸爸看见了,心里很高兴:别看这孩子才四岁,还真懂事哩。就故意问孔融:
“这么多的梨,又让你先拿,你为什么不拿大的,只拿一个最小的呢?”
孔融回答说:“我年纪小,应该拿个最小的;大的留给哥哥吃。”
父亲又问他:“你还有个弟弟哩,弟弟不是比你还要小吗?”
孔融说:“我比弟弟大,我是哥哥,我应该把大的留给弟弟吃。”
你看,孔融讲得多好啊。他父亲听了,哈哈大笑:“好孩子,好孩子,真是一个好孩子。”
孔融四岁,知道让梨。上让哥哥,下让弟弟。大家都很称赞他。
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
“假唱”上了纽约时报头版
[size=5][center][b]Olympic Balladeer’s Voice Was Dubbed [/b][/center][/size][center]By JIM YARDLEY, Published: August 12, 2008[/center]
[url] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sports/olympics/13beijing.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 [/url]
BEIJING — Pigtailed and smiling, Lin Miaoke, age 9, stood in a red dress and white shoes during last Friday’s Olympic opening ceremonies and performed “Ode to the Motherland” in what would become one of the evening’s most indelible images: a lone child, fireworks blazing overhead, singing a patriotic ballad before an estimated one billion viewers.
Except that she was not really singing.
Her proud father, Lin Hui, who only learned of her singing role 15 minutes before the ceremonies began, watched on television and noticed “that the voice was a little different from hers.” On Tuesday, Mr. Lin said in a telephone interview that he had assumed “the difference might be caused by the acoustics.”
Acoustics had nothing to do with it. Under pressure from the highest levels of the ruling Communist Party to find the perfect face and voice, the ceremony’s production team concluded the only solution was to use two girls instead of one. Miaoke, a third grader, was judged cute and appealing but “not suitable” as a singer. Another girl, Yang Peiyi, 7, was judged the best singer but not as cute. So when Miaoke opened her mouth to sing, the voice that was actually heard was a recording of Peiyi.
And it is unclear if Miaoke even knew.
“The reason was for the national interest,” explained Chen Qigang, general music designer of the opening ceremonies, who revealed the deception during a Sunday radio interview. “The child on camera should be flawless in image, internal feeling and expression.”
China wants the Olympics as a stage to present a picture-perfect image to the outside world, and perfection was clearly the goal for the dazzling opening ceremonies. The filmmaker Zhang Yimou, who oversaw the production, has drawn international raves for a performance considered one of the most spectacular in Olympic history. But to achieve the spectacular, Mr. Zhang faked not only the song; organizers also have admitted that one early sequence of the stunning fireworks shown to television viewers was actually created using digitally enhanced computer graphics for “theatrical effect.”
Dubbing music during large outdoor performances is not unprecedented. At the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin, the famed tenor Luciano Pavarotti, then 71, lip-synched an aria, a concession to his age and the cold weather. But the recording was still his voice, as is usually the case when performers lip-synch.
After last Friday’s performance, Mr. Zhang appeared at a news conference with Chinese reporters and praised Miaoke. “She’s very cute and sings quite well, too,” he said. Asked to name which section of the show he found most satisfying, he first mentioned Miaoke.
“I was moved every time we did a rehearsal on this, from the bottom of my heart,” he said, according to a transcript of the news conference.
Miaoke’s song was considered critical because it coincided with the arrival of the national flag inside the massive National Stadium, known as the Bird’s Nest. In his radio interview, Mr. Chen said that a member of the ruling Communist Party’s powerful Politburo, whom he did not identify, attended one of the last rehearsals, along with numerous other officials, and demanded that Miaoke’s voice “must change.”
By Tuesday, the Chinese media had already pounced on the story, instigating a national conversation that government censors were trying to mute by stripping away many, but not all, of the public comments posted online. The outrage was especially heated over the cold calculation used to appraise the girls.
“Please save the last bit of trueness in our children,” wrote one person using the online name Weirderhua. “They think Yang Peiyi’s smile is not cute enough? What we need is truth, not some fake loveliness! I hope the kids will not be hurt. This is not their fault.”
Another person added: “Children are innocent. Don’t contaminate their minds!”
Mr. Lin, Miaoke’s father, said his daughter had been under strict orders not to discuss plans for the performance. He got only the 15-minute notice about her role and was thrilled. He only later learned of the voice switch when he saw a video clip of the interview by the musical director, Mr. Chen.
In that interview on a program called “Beijing Music Radio,” Mr. Chen depicted the process of selecting a child singer as a tortured ordeal. He said about 10 children were chosen who “had a good image and who can sing well.” Initially, a 10-year-old girl was selected “whose voice was really good.” This girl held the role for most of the rehearsals — until Mr. Zhang decided she was too old.
Then, Mr. Chen said, the desired age of the singer was lowered and several young girls, including Miaoke and Peiyi, were taken to the Central People’s Radio Station in Beijing. “After the recording, we thought that Lin Miaoke’s voice was not very suitable,” Mr. Chen said. “Finally, we made the decision that the voice we would use was Yang Peiyi’s.”
But not her face. Photos posted online showed a happy girl with imperfect teeth, hardly an uncommon problem in China. “Everyone should understand this in this way,” Mr. Chen said. “This is in the national interest. It is the image of our national music, national culture, especially during the entrance of our national flag. This is an extremely important, extremely serious matter.”
He added, “I think it is fair to both Lin Miaoke and Yang Peiyi.”
On Monday, Peiyi appeared on China Central Television, or CCTV, the state network. “I’m O.K. with it,” she told her interviewer, even performing a song. “My voice was used in the performance. I think that’s enough.”
Miaoke’s father, a news photographer at a Chinese newspaper, was worried about how she would take the news. Since age 6, Miaoke has worked in television advertisements, even appearing with the country’s wildly popular hurdling champion, Liu Xiang. Her appearance in the opening ceremonies made her an instant celebrity in China, and her image was reproduced around the world.
“Here’s something I want to tell you,” Mr. Lin said he told his daughter. “The music director announced just now that it was not your voice when you were singing at the opening ceremony. The song was actually performed by you two girls.”
Mr. Lin said his daughter was not upset. He said that Miaoke and Peiyi were “good friends” and that Miaoke “doesn’t care who sang the song, as long as she performed.”
Then, he added: “I don’t care about this, either. The only thing I care about is that my daughter will not get hurt by this. She’ll understand when she grows up.”
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
一定是露臉的女孩有背景。自己聲音又不好。於是來個弄虛作假。
天生我材竟何用﹖
我们中国人本来是一直在家里闷着“假”的,大牌小牌明星们在台上公然假唱,电视
转播画面上声音和口形明显不符,那又怎么样?谁能将这些明星骗子怎么着?老实无
奈的歌迷大众早就已经见怪不怪了。
这次可好,小聪明搞到奥运会上来了,在全球几十亿众目睽睽之下假唱,事后还不以
为耻反以为荣自暴其丑,中国的家常便饭让做事情喜欢一板一眼的老外大吃一惊,炸
开了锅:我靠,感情天底下还有这样的“现场演唱”呀?!
据我所知,美国大牌明星现场演出从来没有假唱的,那是要身败名裂遗臭万年的,谁
会冒那风险,且大多数明星根本就不齿这种既对不起自己的歌迷,同时也有辱自己人
格,对不起自我良心的阴暗伎俩。多明戈大师年近七旬去上海演唱,身体不适唱破了
音,难过得当众落泪,觉得对不起钦慕自己的中国观众。身体状况不好他自己自然有
数,可艺术家的基本良知让他绝不会以身体不佳为借口,以假唱去糊弄观众。
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
痛恨!!
中国的造假到了登峰造极的地步!
不知为耻反而为荣!
Originally posted by [i]海外逸士[/i] at 2008-8-12 09:44 PM:
一定是露臉的女孩有背景。自己聲音又不好。於是來個弄虛作假。
是的.我也是这样在想.
我觉得这倒不一定。
太子习近平是实际上的“奥运总监”,他的清华博士来得就不干不净,属于典型的
“官学位”,他对于造假本不陌生。
Originally posted by [i]海外逸士[/i] at 2008-8-12 16:44:
一定是露臉的女孩有背景。自己聲音又不好。於是來個弄虛作假。
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
[center][b][size=5]张艺谋该辞了[/size]
-- 浅谈奥运代唱事件带来的伤害及政治责任[/b][/center][center]杨非羊[/center]
北京2008年奥运开幕式得到世界舆论的赞叹。其总导演张艺谋一夜之间身价涨了两千万。其中“演唱”《歌唱祖国》的九岁小女孩林妙可也在一夜之间成为“奥运女孩,”“中国第一童星,”“红裙女孩。”纽约时报等世界各大报都报道了。她也被媒体采访了。她在采访中说她将来想当医生。不知道是有意还是无意,这个一夜之间在开幕式上因演唱出名的小女孩竟然不想当演员或歌唱家。她可能将来真的做不了歌唱家,因为奥运开幕式上,歌声来自另外一个叫做杨沛宜的七岁小女孩,林妙可在台上只是假唱。
奥运开幕式音乐总监陈其钢最近在北京人民广播电台接受采访时表示,林妙可形象好,但是“因为她在根本的音程控制啊,声音的宽度、高度各个方面都不是非常合适。”杨沛宜在声音方面“无可指摘的,是最出色的。”于是为了“出镜,”为了形象,为了国家利益,在中央领导的要求下,让林妙可出演,背后杨沛宜唱歌。请看,陈总监是这样来谈事出之因及公平和国家利益的:
“这也可以说这是最后一分钟的不得已的选择。因为我们经历了若干次审查,都是相当严格的。我们听过一次林妙可的录音,在现场放的,是在联排的时候。然后有各方面的人,尤其是中央政治局的领导,在听的时候,给我们提出了意见,说必须要改变。这是没有办法的。
我们有责任面对中国的听众,中国的观众做这样一个解释。其实我想所有的听众观众应该有这样一个理解,就是一个国家利益,作为一个国家的文化,国家的音乐文化的形象,尤其是国旗入场,这件事情是非常重大,非常严肃的一件事情。然后我们做了这样一个选择。无论是对于林妙可,还是对于杨沛宜来说,我想都是公平的。也就是说,有一个最完美的声音,加上一个我们认为最完美的形象和表现。这样结合在一起。但是对于林妙可来讲,我们有两个录音,这两个录音之间可能差距不是十分大。所以林妙可最后听到的声音是杨沛宜的声音,但是她本人不一定意识到。”
陈其钢总监的讲话对于这次的代唱的基本事实交代清楚了,好像还给那个7岁小孩一个公道。但是这件事情在许多方面造成的伤害是难于抚平的。首先,“为了国家利益”而唱“双簧,”有悖于“同一个世界,同一个梦想”的北京奥运口号。奥运在北京,但那是世界的奥运。显然,当局者将国家利益凌驾于奥运之上。
其次,杨沛宜有可能已经受到心理伤害,将来长大后很可能有自卑,因为自己的形象不好而帮人家“代唱。”高兴的事是现在杨沛宜才七岁,而且表示“开幕式上有自己的声音已经很满足了。”但愿她这样永远的“荣耀”下去。
再次,林妙可的心理也有可能受到伤害。她本来已经被媒体捧上了天,被标为“奥运女孩“第一女孩”,现在却发现还有一个真正“奥运女孩,”将来她如果认为自只不过是被别人利用了其“出镜”的笑脸(有人认为似“矫情”)后,不知道她是否还能够正常发展。
当然,代唱事件受伤害的还有几十亿观众。他们都认为那个歌是林妙可唱的,被蒙蔽了。
这次代唱事件最不能被人们接受的是其理由太荒唐,居然是为了国家脸面而牺牲一个孩子脸面。小孩的一张脸居然联系到国家利益。这个小孩脸面的分数,声音的宽度及其与国家脸面和利益的关联居然由中央政治局的领导决定。北京的奥运的政治化由此可见一斑。
北京当局将奥运拖到政治里面,人们现在不得不讨论这个政治问题。第一,中央政治局应不应当“审查”北京奥运的开幕式。陈其钢总监反复说到他们“经历了若干次审查,都是相当严格的。”他继而说道:“然后有各方面的人,尤其是中央政治局的领导,在听的时候,给我们提出了意见,说必须要改变。这是没有办法的。”北京当局承诺说,北京的奥运是人文的奥运。谁来决定这个“人文?”既然有了北京奥运组委会,既然有了总导演来安排开幕式,那么就是总导演负责。任何人不得干预。如果当初有报道说里根总统去审查1984年的奥运开幕式,那一定是大笑话。里根肯定被挨骂。如果是美国政府的哪个部长去审查,那他一定要辞职。为什么,他们越权了。卷入“代唱”事件的那位政治局委员该辞职,因为他干预了张总导演职责。现在我们要追究那个政治局领导的责任。
第二,总导演张艺谋在这个事件上负有什么责任?到目前为止,张总导演还没有出来说话。我们从陈总监那里知道,张总导演知道这件事情,而且“导演要求首先形象上要很可爱。”显然,张总导演要对这件事情有个交待。在一个负责任的社会,张总导演该辞职了。为什么?找一个唱歌小女孩不应当是如此困难的事情,他在中国上千万的孩子中居然找不到一个即唱的好又形象好的孩子。此其一,无能也。其二,将国家利益和国家形象放在人的真实性之上,法西斯者也。其三,听从“政治局领导”的意见,“软根也。”其四,他明知那个林妙可是假唱,却事先和事后不作交待,蒙骗世界人民。骗子也。张艺谋在“代唱”事件中负有责任,而且代唱事件影响了中国形象。张艺谋给中国人民带来的负面影响和对当事人的伤害,不得不追究其责。还是自己辞了好。这是文明,当然是在《满城尽带黄金甲》中找不到的文明。
杨非羊 8/13/08 多维博客
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
今年春晚章子怡也是假唱,事后公开出来脸不红心不跳血压不高。假唱在大陆早已超
越“潜规则”阶段,大家彼此彼此心照不宣,听众也已被磨炼得没了脾气。
老祖宗的智慧能不听么,俗话说常在河边走哪能不湿鞋;瓦罐不离井台破。谁承想,
这次一不留神玩大了,玩出国界了,假的还不是歌手录音,竟然是一出“儿童双簧”,
愚弄的是几十亿世界居民。这是咋说腻 :lol:
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
Originally posted by [i]thesunlover[/i] at 2008-8-12 11:28 PM:
这次可好,小聪明搞到奥运会上来了,在全球几十亿众目睽睽之下假唱,事后还不以为耻反以为荣自暴其丑,
我不同意爱阳。我看了新闻录像,杨其刚显得很压抑,好象是不说出不舒服,对不起杨佩宜。这事后面背景多,我们不知道。总之,这事很狼狈的。中国今天已经封锁了所有的有关假唱新闻,专注赛事。
事情真相可能确实不那么简单,有网友猜测:杨其刚本人对假唱并不满意,所以才
装傻充愣将此事透露出来,表面上是邀功,实际上是让那个作决定的政治局委员出
丑,当然也出了开幕式总导演张艺谋的丑。
现在居然封杀所有相关评论,看来涉及高层内斗,太子出丑了,有人欢喜有人愁。
Originally posted by [i]tugan07[/i] at 2008-8-13 09:46:
我不同意爱阳。我看了新闻录像,杨其刚显得很压抑,好象是不说出不舒服,对不起杨佩宜。这事后面背景多,我们不知道。总之,这事很狼狈的。中国今天已经封锁了所有的有关假唱新闻,专注赛事。
因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
中国假唱的风气很普遍,,,当年崔健就一直叫嚷,还主张unplugged,
怎耐他也老了。
美国怎么样就不知道了。但迪伦都是真唱的,唱得好不好,那么多人的场
所,谁也听不出来。但他有一个法门,就是变曲不变词,同样的歌,绝对
不同的旋律,人在,精神依在。
这么小就学会做假???以后肯定是搞政治的料:)
我觉得“五星红旗”放慢了唱,挺难的,七岁孩子唱得这么好,很难得。
不同意XW。在中国搞政治,初期要低调吧?这事也许就坏在林家身上,自己知道是别人的声音,还不沉默,大露风头。我们都是做家长的人,自己孩子的辛苦被别人贪占,受不了。我以为编导们也是有良心的。当然,捅出这事的原由还是个迷。